Reframing Overexcitabilites as a Super Power! Meet Eshwari

Eshwari is a young woman who grew up in India, feeling out of place and intense. She learned about giftedness and Overexcitabilities through the Unleash Monday podcast and got inspired to learn more about the topic and is on her journey of finding her way in the space and field of neurodiversity.

TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS EPISODE:

• Your job title doesn't define you
• Currently there is no gifted psychologist in India (yet!)
• (Existential) Depression is not just in your head! And you need support from like minded minded is critical.
• Gifted brains are not better but they are wired differently from the majority.
• Overexcitabilites are your supper powers, not a faults!
• Learning about your own (gifted) needs is essential and existential! Giftedness needs are not about being smarter but it is about being able to live according to your values.
• Gifted people usually doubt that they are gifted in the beginning. It is not something that is obvious or comfortable to embrace.
• As a gifted person we try and do a lot of things, make sure you don’t overwhelm yourself with tasks.
• Take take to recharge! Make sure your energy level as a gifted person does not run low.

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Julia Cameron’s book The Artist’s Way 

More about Overexcitabilites in episode 33 with Chris Well

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Transcript

Hello and welcome to Unleash Monday, where we talk about the brain, especially the gifted brain and how does it affect our thinking and experience of the world? Different. There are a lot of stereotypes and stigma around giftedness, and I'm here to challenge dos. I'm here to raise awareness and to have a conversation around this topic of what does it mean to be a gifted adult common experience among gifted folks is that they feel out of place.

They don't quite fit in. They are too sensitive, too intense, too emotional, too, over excitable and too deep thinkers about the world and about themselves. So if you have been called too much of about anything, then this show is for you. My name is Nadia. I'm too loud, too colorful, too bodily, too bossy. And I love to talk too much.

So welcome to my world. And I'm so happy you are here. Welcome back to Unleash Monday. I'm so excited. You're here. Thank you for taking the time and listening to this podcast where we talk about giftedness and neurodivergence, and I'm super excited to have issues on the show today. Eshwari and I met through a mutual friend and that friend told her to listen to my podcast because she felt that Eshwaria could relate,

and that actually happened and listened to my podcast and then reached out to me and we talked and it was really beautiful to see her journey up until this point. And recently she actually figured out what she would like to do as a career. And I don't want to say too much. She will share this on the podcast with us, but I just wanted to let you know that when I started this podcast,

I was like, oh my God, people need to hear this. I'm sure there's people out there who do not know about this topic, who need to know and help empower themselves and help understanding themselves and really figure out who they are and to relieve some pain as well, because not knowing who you are and where you fit in this world can be very lonely,

can be very stressful, can be very self harming. It can be really, really depressing in a way. And so knowing that there's people out there that need to hear this message, I created this podcast and now one and a half years later, and I get feedback from exactly those people I had in mind in the beginning. And these people show up and they hear like,

I listened to your podcast. It changed my life. Thank you. And I am just overwhelmed with joy and like grateful that I could make an impact. I could make a difference in somebody's life. And this is why I'm here. And this is why I keep doing what I'm doing, because this message is so important. And I believe in the power of storytelling and the power of people sharing your story.

So other people can relate because obviously everybody has a very unique story, but there's some overlaps and some parts and that we can relate to and just sharing my own story, probably won't help this whole community. So having this powerful collection of different stories across the globe. And so I don't want to go on a tangent here, but I just wanted to let you know,

I'm so happy that issuer agreed to come on this podcast and share her own story to empower other women or their people. And she's taking on a whole new level of responsibility, but she's going to share that with us in a moment. So without further ado, here's, Eshwari welcome. I'm so excited to have you on the podcast. I'm excited to be here.

Oh my God. It's been such a pleasure to see your journey and see you going through this past few months and maybe for the listeners to explain like who you are and how you got to the podcast. Do you want to share a little bit just about yourself and how you found the podcast? Just we start there and then we talk a little bit further back and then further forward.

So, Okay. So I'm 23. I was going through major crisis. I am still undergoing depression, but thankfully I'm in a happy space. Now, one of my friends recommended the podcast to me because she listened to it. And then she thought she thought of me when she was listening to it. So she introduced me to the podcast and then I started finding myself.

But then I was reluctant because everyone knows what comes and what connotations giftedness has. And that's why I tried to phrase it like your first test, is it that I'm a zebra, I'm not a gifted person. So that's how it started. And then I got to know more and more and more and more about giftedness. And finally, then I reached out to you and I talked to,

and I bugged deal. And just to back up a little bit for the listeners to know, so you're based in India, right? So what, what is giftedness in India? Is it a topic or how is it perceived? Like when you heard the term first, like, what was your reactions or In, in this currently there's no talking on being gifted at the best.

I think as far as I know, and I have explored people talk about the IQ tests at the best, or if you're extraordinary about something with something there's no such word called as gifted, but still it has different connotation rate. Being gifted means that you are some supernatural being like some iron man or something like that. And even Ironman has got chink in his armor.

Yet we forget that humans can have that as well. And we just expect these people to be extraordinary. They happy, satisfied with their life, achieve everything and extraordinary adventures, but no one actually thinks that gifted people need nurturing. So now that you learned about the topic and you could kind of like relate when listening to the stories, looking back on your childhood and your teenage years,

can you share a little bit how it was for you and where, where do you think retrospectively? Oh, that might have been, you know, my giftedness being a little bit different or something. Yeah, actually a few weeks back, I was talking to my best friend and she's known me since I was a baby, because we were in the same daycare center and the same age.

So she was telling me how, how every single time, if some situation was there, everyone put into that situation. My response to you is to be always something different. And that's why it was easy to pick me out, block me out of it and point it out and say that, you know, Hey, this is not normal. This is not how everyone thinks.

That's why you're not welcomed. I can, I can now call it maybe a gifted trauma or something like that. I was bullied in my, in the apartment that I live, the kids I used to play with in the school. And when I used to travel in, and even in the school, my class teacher even went as far as claiming that I need a guy.

I need to see a psychiatrist because I couldn't sit still in the, in the classroom when she was teaching, I constantly had to talk. I had to release my energy. And yet, somehow when they saw my report, God, everyone was surprised because it was a good percentage of, I had, I had scored like 85% at that time. So no one expected that of a child who did not play any form of attention,

who did not have them. One books from gave my mom had to come and sit down and write me so that I had something to study with. So everything was like a big hassle growing up. And now that I look back at it, I, I had so much energy. My parents wouldn't control me. No one could control me. My,

when I was in my junior, Casey, we had two, two class teachers, one used to get pissed at me, another used to love me. And they used to fight at every parent teacher meeting because one used to claim how amazing I am and other, they used to say that she is such a nuisance. I can still relate to your story.

When you say, you know, you talk so much as a child. That was my story too. And yeah, I had a lot of difficulties in the classroom. I'm curious. What did the psychologists say? Like she didn't think you were gifted or what was the outcome of that? No, actually it was said in such a negative connotation that maybe your child is crazy and they may need to see some psychiatrists as there there's something wrong with their brain.

My mom started crying. I still somehow have the vivid image in my head. I could, I can still see her breaking down in front of my eyes. So she never took me to a psychiatrist maybe in a way that was good because I would've been maybe misdiagnosed because people still don't know what giftedness in India is. I still can't find a single psychologist in India.

So maybe instead of being misdiagnosed, that was better. Yeah. And we're gonna talk about that. The, that the lack of gifted psychologists in India, just in a little bit, but share a little bit about your, your teenage years, maybe. How did that then transform, you know, throughout high school, how was your experience and what did you want to be when you grew up?

Did you have a clear idea or how did that go for you? I'm asking because I know, I think I know the answers, so, Okay. So I, as I was growing up, I, I realized that I always had to be with people I had thanks to the overexcitabilities psychomotor. Overexcitabilities I have the, I have this condition of compulsive and I do not look at it as an excuse anymore.

I'm just trying to look at it as it is. It is not a condition. It is not a disorder. It is what it is. I have extra energy, which I need to release. People either have loved me or hated me. There was never in between just like my extremism is that either I'm super into it or I'm not into it.

And then during the school years, I was just, I love fiction and I love fictional character. So I was watching a TV series and there was all lawyer. So I wanted to be him. So I wanted to be, every person exist that exists on this planet. I wanted to be everyone and I wanted to be the, become the lawyer.

And then my father took me to my uncle. Who's a lawyer. And then I saw the books and the section numbers to remember, and I got scared and I left the, That sounds like me again. I always want to pick up a lawyer. And then I was like, oh, I'm not good at learning things by heart. Nope. Different career path for me.

So what, what was next? What was your next idea Then? So in India we have like three streams that we choose after 10 standard science commerce. So my mom teaches chemistry. So looking at the chemistry books, I was like, no, I'm not doing that. Then comes commerce, which I had no idea about, but I was okay with math.

So I went with, went on with it. Although commerce has got nothing to do with not a lot to do with Matt still. I went ahead with it, but then I realized that then not then like six, seven years, years, I realized that I'm not good at commerce more than not being good at commerce. I, it doesn't have anything that works emotional value.

There is transaction, which is interesting. There's debit and credit. It has got its logic. The math is good that when your balance sheet tallies, it's an amazing feeling to have. When you figure something out by yourself and your teacher praises you for having the brilliant brains, that is an amazing feeling, but it doesn't hold any form of emotional value.

And so I finally gave up seven years after seven years, like I gave up on commerce three months ago, basically. And so what, what made you give up or what was it that changed it? I have a feeling it has something to do with my podcast. Yeah. It, it has got to do with your podcast. So after I was done with my bachelor's in the second year of my bachelor's,

I realized that I did not like commerce and maybe I want to change my strings, maybe do psychology, something or arts. Maybe at that time, I want it to be more of a writer because I was writing one line and everyone told me that I had my way with words so I could write well, and that's what I wanted to be. Then one day my father sat me down and he told me that writing is a good hobby,

but you want to become a, you won't be able to make a lot of money to make your living out of it. So that's when I dropped the plan, I stopped writing. And that was another thing I think that led to depression. And after that, then I, as I started listening to your podcast, I learned so many things about overexcitabilities and positive disintegration and what my needs are because first for the,

okay. So one of the things that I knew that I couldn't do commerce, I was telling even in my second year, in my second year bachelors, I told my parents that I don't want to do commerce because I am not liking it. And they told me that, you know, you have, you have to clear this exam and you have another year.

So, you know, you're into it. So might as well give it a try. And then I was also trying to smoke as prestigious as being a chartered accountant. It's a big deal in India. So, so that's why. And even, even now, even like until few months back, as I told people that I'm doing say, I I'm trying to become a chartered accountant.

They used to look at me with a lot of respect. So basically what I did not want to give up on commerce, because then I thought that maybe whatever I take up and give up on that as well, because everyone kept asking me that, what if you feel in that as well, would you give that up? But I was being harsh with myself saying that why cannot I become this?

If I have the potential, I knew I had the potential. I know I have the potential. If I put my mind to it, I would be able to crack it. But what I learned, what I learned, thanks to the overexcitabilities your podcast and being gifted was that it has not got to do with how intelligent or how dumb I am.

It has got to do with what I value and what I need in my life in order to become successful. And by becoming successful, I mean that in order to pour everything into it, so that I'd be at least a little bit satisfied with whatever I do. I'm commerce was not giving me that satisfaction. And I did not have the courage to just like I did not ha I,

I kept blaming myself for having this compulsive talking thingy. I, I blame myself for so long for not becoming successful in what I had said, I had set up for It's this expectation of society, right? Like, as you said, there's certain professions that get just their higher standard and people look up to it like being a doctor or being Even a lawyer Or being a lawyer,

lawyer doctor. Then if you become one of those professions or professionals, you are successful in other people's eyes, but that doesn't mean you're happy or fulfilled in your own life. And if you don't know about giftedness or giftedness needs or who you are, you also lack this vocabulary or you lack your basic self understanding, I would say. So share a little bit more how it was for you,

how the transformation within you, what, what did you go through? Like, I imagine that it wasn't just like you found the podcast and everything was resolved immediately. I think that it's usually a little bit, you know, uncomfortable and unsettling, maybe even a positive disintegration process. How was it for you? Yeah, it was as a, as a listened to the podcast.

And then I, thankfully I joined your community and that was another thing that changed so many things about me because I had problems. My friend, I, I kept telling people that I am having problems. I am undergoing depression and I seen it. I feel it inside me. And, but my friends at first, they thought that it was nothing big,

nothing huge. And it was all in my head and I know it is in my head, but I could see that I couldn't overcome it by myself through your podcast and the community. As I found, like-minded people, my friend who introduced the podcast to me was that, that's what she was trying to tell me. That being gifted doesn't mean that,

you know, you won't have any problems, but if you understand that you're gifted and your brain is wired differently, it functions differently. So if you find like-minded people, they will tell you a way to do it because 98% of the people or 90% of the people have designed the world and give you the tips that work for them, your brain is wired differently.

How would the things that work for them work for you? And that's what it created a padding, you know, so it was like a gradual process. First. It was the podcast. And then I read about it and then it was a community. And through the community, it was like the monthly meetings and the monthly topics that we picked out and then the overexcitabilities and positive disintegration,

and then NBTI personality types. So everything, as I researched about it, I found new things about myself. We shared my problems with people around and everyone gave me there. And, and that in way, Jack started to build me up in that in a way started to bring me out of, out of the depression or, or of a mental state that was extremely skidding because my thought process was so toxic at that point.

That even as I go back now, or even when I used to have this moment to the, through those depression, when I wasn't trapped in my head and I could look at things objectively, I could see that my thought process wasn't healthy. So it, it was like step by step by step, by step, everything built me up. And even as I did the artist's way,

and I did my morning pages, that is where I found my safe place. So it was like little things that I learned about myself that I, that my inner child has been hurt. So I need to treat myself as a child and I need to speak sweetly to it in order for me to listen and to treat myself better. So what I would do is in my morning pages,

I would, I would talk to myself because previously that's what I struggled with. When I tried to ask myself questions, what I wanted, because since I was struggling with my professional, this isn't, I, I tried asking myself multiple times that, what do you want to do? We'll pick whatever you want to do and we'll go through it. But no answer came from within.

But after I brought Molly in stages for like months after that, why he started responding to me and that is a sweet child boys. And even still till date, it throws tantrums. And that's good that it throws tantrums because it shows that I have emotions. And now I can, I am equipped to deal with it. Like an adult. Like I have mentally found a place where I'm self parenting myself in a way that I wanted my parents to be.

Because since I was a gifted person who my, my responses were different. My parents, they, their methods didn't work on me. It seemed too harsh as I grew up. So now I can tell myself that, okay, darling. Okay, baby. What's the problem. Someone heard you that's okay. So you can be a little at first it seems so odd to my own ears because the voice in my head was so,

so harsh, but then slowly and steadily, I got used to it. So yes we'd had, yeah. Okay. What happened? Okay. He heard you, did he say something? What was it? Okay. We'll talk to them. We'll find out. We'll figure it out. It's okay. I'm there, we'll go through it together because that's what I think everyone wants.

They want a companion. They want someone, they trust to be there with them when they are undergoing pain, when they want someone to hold them, to give them a warm hug and tell them that I'm here. I hard, but we overcome this. Oh, wow. And it's so beautiful to see also that like kind of your passion set you free because you said,

you know, writing was your passion. And then when your dad said, you know, it's not a profession to choose to support yourself and you basically gave up on it. But through the morning pages, I think you found some way back into writing, maybe just for the listeners. Can you explain a little bit the morning pages? Because we've mentioned it on the show before,

and it's Julia Cameron's book the artist's way. And it's basically a 12 week program where you write these morning pages. Can you share a little bit, what goes in the morning page and what doesn't go in the morning page and how do you do it correctly? So it's like a very simple thing. The only rule is that you jive three pages every single day.

Hopefully it is the first thing that you do in the morning, because then your brain is fresh. And once you've dumped everything out, then it becomes better to go through your day. And maybe you can even organize your thoughts on some days when things used to be hard, I used to maybe write them throughout the day or when I didn't like Julia,

Cameron explicitly mentions this. If you don't know what to right. Maybe three in diabetes, right? I don't know what to write. I don't know what to write, but you have to complete them. And every, everyone feels that, oh, that's not a difficult thing to do three pages. I like them, but you can only finish one and a half pages and then you're blank.

And that's when you push. And that's when your problems start surfacing. And most of the people tend to give up once that starts, then when that starts happening. But then that's the magic persist, persist, and persist. And then two Julia Cameron spoke, you, you get these little tasks, which are extremely difficult, but they teach to be a little bit kind to yourself to spend time with yourself and to love yourself more and be comfortable in your own skin.

Yeah. It's very transformation. It's really to unleash your creativity as well. And to unlock like a writer's block, I guess, but there's no, there's no wrong way. As you said, if you don't know what to write, you're just right. I don't know what to write for three pages, but there's no way of doing it wrong. So even if you don't have the book,

just writing three pages in the morning and see the magic unfold, once you were in the community, you're listening to the podcast, you're learning all these topics, but I think you was still then learning about overexcitabilities and the prosecutor's theory. But I think you were still going through some things, I think you mentioned existential depression. What, what did you do then?

I, as I was doing that this way, I thought that I had overcome the depression by myself as a strong person. I am, but I didn't. And I was, I, I had gotten better. I had created a form based for myself where I couldn't just spiral into it. And I still didn't believe that I'm a gifted individual. And we talked about it.

I bugged you, as I found out the, the most that I related when talk of giftedness happened, I would relate more to the overexcitabilities. So I thought that if overexcitabilities exists, then maybe I'm a mystic person. But then, then I learned that you can have overexcitabilities and you, and you can be not gifted, like the there's a huge overlap,

but if they can co-exist they can exist independently. And my first question to Nadia was, am I one of those? Do I really have? Because the doubt was so high in my head. And I remember the day it was last August that I found out about overexcitabilities and I did a very, very basic article about it and what five overexcitabilities their work that are and what,

what it entails and what factors does it count it. And I, I couldn't stop crying because all the all giftedness or work did was everything that I had been told as a kid. That, or as an adult, that this is wrong about you. This is wrong about you. You need to change this. They were going ahead and telling me that those things aren't my liabilities,

but my assets. And that's what shook me. And that's what I wanted to deny so much, because part of me was so visceral because all these years, everyone told me that I am a bad person and I'm wrong to have those things. But someone is telling me that they are good things to have and how dare they tell me how dare they give me both?

And that's what was, you know, shaking and I couldn't stop crying. I just, it just, you know, it was such a violent reaction towards it that I, I still can't forget because, because being overexcitability I remember telling my friend I was crying. I was, my sister was sitting next to me. I was talking to my friend and I was crying that if this is what giftedness being gifted means that I do want to be gifted.

And why do I have to, why do I have to have this gift? And I'm cursed. I'm not gifted. I'm not blessed. And this is so wrong. And I kept telling them because as a kid, as I wanted to talk so much, and I had so much energy, I, I cried for, for the little me or the child,

because all I wanted to do was play. The child that wanted to do was play, have fun and talk to people because people were amazing to that kid. And that is what the kid was denied off. And that's what, you know, that's what made me the most uncomfortable. Yeah. It is always very emotional finding out and uncovering this truth.

Isn't it. And the first reaction is why hasn't anybody told me and how can I return this? Whoever, if God doesn't exist, please take it back. I don't want this. So, but recently you started, I think, embracing it a little bit more, and you reached out to a few people in the broader community of giftedness. Do you want to share a little bit,

because I think you still had some doubts or you, you reached out for more help and support. Yeah. So what happened was that I, I was going through this, what I want to do as a profession, because I was turning older and older and, and things weren't working out because I worked in a CFO and I did not like the work.

So I, so I gave up on the job and I was sitting in home idle and still not being able to figure out what I wanted to do. I had certain options in my head, but nothing. One of the things that drove nuts was nothing seemed compelling enough to dedicate myself, to call it being gifted or the depression. It's, everything seems so shallow and meaningless that I did not want to do it.

So I, I went to my father, his country living in a different city because of this work. So I went there, I sat down and he, he talked to me, if you're going to have time, maybe take an aptitude test, maybe take, talk to a psychologist. But I knew that if I told them that I'm gifted, they'd laugh at me.

They think I'm crazy. So I was frantic at one point I was anybody standing. So I wrote an email. I just took randomly people. I know from the gifted community, from of the cuff, from Google. And I just wrote the email to them. And I attached to all of my money pages extracts in it. And I mailed it.

I told them that I don't. So I'm officially diagnosed as a gifted individual. And I don't know where my gift lies if I am one. And I sure don't have a high IQ. And I just negated all the possibilities that am not gifted in a spiritual way and not in emotionally gifted, interpersonally, interpersonally. And this is what I'm going through.

My head is a dark space and I am, I, I have given up on myself, but I don't want to give up on the people around me because they have supported me. Even if that help wasn't as beneficial, being more gifted, I still cannot bring myself to give up on them because that would be unfair. So I don't know what to do at this point.

So can you please guide me, guide me to a psychologist because I'm not finding any in India. So I just randomly took the emails from Google and I mailed it to them. And I did not think that I would get a reply, but I did. Thankfully I did. I learned about through your podcast. So I had made to heart. So she replied to me and another psychologist.

He actually, it was so interesting. And so heartwarming for me that I had gotten an email that was, that wasn't even their personal email, that was in some organization, they were working at that point. And I drew, I mentioned their name. So the person who was working there, they forward it to that person. And that person responded to me.

So that actually shows how much the community cares about each other. And they have not met me. They've not seen me. They have no personal interest to guide me yet. They took out the time to replay. They, they shared, they shared sites and the works that I, I need to read if I want to overcome existential depression and they shared the resources.

And then I, then Chris talked to me and Chris offered me to help. And now I'm getting my therapy with her. So that's how much people here care. And that is what was so baffling and heartwarming to me because I was, I was screaming for help for so long. And it was the gifted community who just took me in without any further questions like you did like Christine and,

and even just reading the works, living with intensity by or watching Linda's Linda said, women's YouTube videos of conferences that she, that she took. And Jim Dylan's work. And about underachievement that you had shared the video on the community. So that actually, it was Jim's idea that, that I borrowed because someone wrote an email to him. And that's how I got the idea because I was so frantic.

I thought that I was going to get misdiagnosed and I did not want that to happen. So I'm finally now getting help that I needed. And that is so heartwarming. That is so comforting. And actually at one point of time, I had given up on hoping, but finally it seems that, you know, this time I won't come out more shattered as I'm having more hope to get better.

This is such a beautiful story. And especially showing this community, and I was also entering the space, not knowing anybody. And I was like, well, I need to create a podcast. And I just randomly reached out to people and everybody was so nice and helpful. And really from like embraced me. And I had such hard imposter syndrome, but people were saying what you do is needed.

And for me showing, or being able to have you on the podcast because you or people like you were the reason why I thought I need to make a podcast so that people can learn about this topic. And I think you already, now actually are on the path of knowing what you want to do with your life. And you set huge goals. Do you already want to share,

or is it too early? Say that publicly, Maybe I want to share, because I think it's maybe important. And if someone who is out there and listening, maybe if they are inspired, we need more people. So the day before I was going to talk to Chris, I ha I had narrowed down my future possibilities to do things that either I wanted to be LGBT LGBTQ community,

social justice lawyer, or I wanted to become a gifted adult psychologist because I couldn't find any in India. So I thought that maybe many, many people must be going through the things that I'm going through. And maybe they also may undergo existential depression. And it's not a good feeling. That's why I thought that maybe this is something that I actually dedicate my entire life to,

because there's so much to do because people still, even in the most developed countries, bed giftedness is talked about. People are still focusing and emphasizing on B, on gifted children. And no one is talking about gifted adult or gifted trauma or what it is and what it means to grow up as not knowing that you're gifted and then unpacking this entire gifted trauma thing,

because it leaves it scars, you are bruised. And if you don't change the rules properly, then it can become fatal. So you're becoming a gifted psychologist for adults in India, the first, And you know, that's a huge market. I'm just saying it out here that if anybody else in all of Asia has wants to support issuer in her endeavor,

because we need more. I think you won't be sufficient to serve all of India, but your start. And you're an inspiration. And I'm so excited to have you in the community to have you here. And thank you so much for sharing your journey. Is there anything else you would like to share? Something you wish people knew something you wish you knew earlier?

So undergoing depression and having, knowing the feeling when you can't even get out of the bed and just constantly undergoing anxiety. Because I think, I think it is rightly said so that it is more often than not, or it is mostly the gifted individuals who undergo depression, because since we have the brain power to do it, we, we just micro analyze every single thing.

And it, it is actually good when used for a good cause or a good thinking. But if we try to micromanage or put at every single action board under a microscope, then it becomes harder and harder. And every single day, then it's a spiral loop that you, you, you just fall into this endless pit and you don't know who to trust.

You don't know what to trust. And I don't think I've met any person or will ever meet any person who, whom I go to and tell them that they are gifted and they just accepted immediately. So there's a lot of rejection. There's a lot of wandering. You need to educate yourself more because giftedness doesn't look one way. It can, it has its own facets and you can be gifted in so many different areas and so many different ways.

And it is, we still need to research about it. So I think one thing that everyone can keep in mind that it's hard today. And I, I, you know, it is something that used to drive me nuts when people used to tell me, and when I used to hear it, that everything happens from birth. And I hated that phrase.

But now that I look back at it today, no, it's Oh, thank you for sharing. Is there anything else you wanted to say, Maybe just that if, if you, if things are difficult for you, try the pro tip pro tip that I got, that maybe do only select three tasks a day, and don't overwhelm yourself as gifted individuals.

We tend to run into one, one out to another. So keeping check of your energy, because since you have this explosive energy, take time to recharge, never ever let that energy level go into negative. Never let it depend to negative. Always keep it in positive. It should be always on top of the graph, not Dante. Thank you.

I think I just needed to hear that from you today because that's something I need to work on. Thank you so much for reminding me. And it's such a pleasure and just a gift to have you in the community to have you, and to be able to, you know, to talk to you because you reached out to me and I think you learn something from me,

but I learned as much if not, even more from you. So thank you so much for being here for sharing, and I'm wishing you very, very good luck on your journey of becoming the first ever psychologist for gifted adult in India. So thank you. And bye. Bye. I hope you liked this episode and I hope your cheering issue early on where ever you are and sending her lots of positive energy and lots of strengths to follow through with her plan of becoming the first gifted psychologist in India.

I'm so inspired by Israel's story of not knowing what to study, and then coming up with this amazing plan. I'm just in awe and I'm wishing her all the best, and we keep you updated on her journey. And if you have a message for Eshwari, you can send that email to hello@unleashmonday.com and I will forward it to her. And if you want to follow what's happening on the podcast,

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